2ch动画歌曲选举 – 上编
在泰利兄那儿看到的有趣文章，内容是关于早前日本名留言版2CH的日本动画歌曲排名选举，小弟自称为日本动画歌曲迷，总会有点说话想说，或者先按著不表，先看看日本人如何排名吧！
2ch best anime songs top100 part1(第100至第62的排名)
2ch best anime songs top100 part2(第61至第21的排名)
2ch best anime songs top100 part3(第20至第00的排名)
多谢泰利兄的整理，头二十名的排名如下：
２０位（３７０点） 梦色チェイサー/鲇川麻弥 机甲戦记ドラグナー（ＯＰ１）
１９位（３７６点） 勇者王诞生！/远藤正明 勇者王ガオガイガー（ＯＰ）
１８位（３８６点） Shooting Star/ＫＯＴＯＫＯ おねがい☆ティーチャー（ＯＰ）
１７位（３８７点） 爱・おぼえていますか/饭岛真理 超时空要塞マクロス爱・おぼえていますか（ＴＭ）
１６位（３８９点） God knows…/平野绫 凉宫ハルヒの忧郁（ＩＮ）
１５位（３９５点） 魂のルフラン/高桥洋子 新世纪エヴァンゲリオン シト新生（ＥＤ）
１４位（４２４点） ゆずれない愿い/田村直美 魔法骑士レイアース（ＯＰ１）
１３位（４３１点） 圣少女领域/ALI PROJECT ローゼンメイデン トロイメント（ＯＰ）
１２位（４３２点） tune the rainbow/坂本真绫 ラーゼフォン多元変奏曲（ＥＤ）
１１位（４４０点） Wind Climbing～风にあそばれて～/奥井亜纪 魔法阵グルグル（ＥＤ１）
１０位（４６２点） 暁の车/FictionJunction YUUKA 机动戦士ガンダムＳＥＥＤ（ＩＮ）
０９位（４６３点） 哀・戦士/井上大辅 机动戦士ガンダムⅡ哀戦士篇（ＴＭ）
０８位（４６９点） innocent starter/水树奈々 魔法少女リリカルなのは（ＯＰ）
０７位（４９０点） プラチナ/坂本真绫 カードキャプターさくら（ＯＰ３）
０６位（４９２点） dis-/有坂美香 无限のリヴァイアス（ＯＰ）
０５位（５１０点） Give a reason/林原めぐみ スレイヤーズＮＥＸＴ（ＯＰ）
０４位（５２２点） ハッピー☆マテリアル/真帆良学园中等部２－Ａ 魔法先生ネギま！（ＯＰ）
０３位（６０５点） Butter-Fly/和田光司 デジモンアドベンチャー（ＯＰ）
０２位（６５５点） 鸟の诗/Lia Air（ＯＰ）
０１位（７８０点） 创圣のアクエリオン/AKINO 创圣のアクエリオン（ＯＰ１）
殿堂入り（１５４９点） 残酷な天使のテーゼ/高桥洋子 新世纪エヴァンゲリオン（ＯＰ）
这个排名以投票方式选出，以４，３，２，１分数为标准，分数越高，排名越高。
这类选举久不久便会举行，是次排名为匿名在留言版举行，因此我们很难知道投票人有没有重复投票，投票人的年龄，性别，职业，甚至有没有歌迷之间动员影响赛果等等，所以对以上结果各位只要当成一个参考便好，不用认真。排名结果时有争议，但这是小问题，反而因选举拉票关系，多了秘藏影像放在YOUTUBE或NICONICO等网站，在短时间重温很多我喜欢，或己忘掉，都算是功德无量。
虽说选举的认受性成疑，但某些数据还颇值得参考。
首先，是本次投票，有意无意地把一切现役流行歌手的流行歌曲都并诸门外，是否刻意我并不清楚，但感觉就是如此。似乎投票者对流行歌手，或更精确地说，动画歌曲和流行曲的分野都相当「清楚」，至于可谓动画歌，还者留待之后另起新篇再说。
留心看，流行歌手的歌曲还是有的，只是以在200~100之间才会有像高田梢知的秘密机地，ポルノグラフィティ的メリッサ等等超人气歌曲，其他像L’Arc~en~Ciel，SEE-SAW和TWO-MIX是少数的现役，至于有像TM NETWORK，SIAM SHADE等己解散的流行乐队，也算是榜中的特例吧。
另外一点，是上榜的歌曲普编是近十年之内上映的动画歌曲，一些超过十年，或者廿年的相对地少。如泰利兄所说，タッチ，マクロス，LOVEさりげなく，甚至アニキ和ミッチ的歌曲，当年红透半边天，称得为动画迷，有咁上下年龄的都会哼几句，但在时次选举也是乏善可陈，我的理解未必是日本人善忘，只是会有兴趣，有时间投票的多是年青人，上了年纪的动画迷当然有，但花时间留在网上留言咀上争峰，倒不如跑到CD店买碟支持还实际吧（笑）。
不过我要强调一点，上述推论只是建基于感觉，因为数据不足，当然也没可能有什么精确分析。
另外做了一个少统计，头一百位和声优有关或有份参与主唱的歌曲大概有２０首（连TWO-MIX和FictionJunction YUUKA计在内），如果以二佰位计的话，则增至３２首左右，比例算一般。
其中最值得开香槟庆祝，是坂本真绫在本榜上占最多，有五首，也是头２００位中最多的歌手，而且全部歌曲，都在头一百位之内，作为她的FANS当然是相当高兴，但全都是和菅野洋子合作的前期作品，这点令我有点担心。
其次是林原めぐみ，平野绫和水树奈奈，各占３首，饭岛真理和栗林みな实各两首，其他的都是一首，或以以组合形式的。
林原めぐみ贵为声优女王，其参与的动画歌之多也是声优中最多的，但那都是婚前的事，她有不少歌我也喜欢，但前江后浪推前浪就是这一回事。现在式的话，平野绫受惠于凉宫的关系可说杀出了一条血路，但自凉宫完结后，却无以为继，大概因为作品少？水树奈々反而有点跌眼镜，而且歌曲全数来自魔法少女リリカルなのは系列，是剧红歌，然后是歌红人，还是刚刚相反？真是天晓得，或者可以说她作品多在GAME系之中，和动画相关的歌曲反而没有相像般多所致。
(待续)
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In Digimon there are also many good songs:
1. Fire!!
2. Slash!!
3. Break Up (movie edition)
太田美知彦 is the sole music composer for these songs. He also composes songs for Comet-san(2001):
1. 星に愿いを
2. My Muse/My Music
HK MK people cannot understand these song because these songs are designed to play using PC supporting 3D Depth (sound card) or 3D Surround (DFX Audio Enhancer) functions.
なのは系列前两辑, 水树奈々的歌是剧红歌、歌红人没错, 但到了SS, 已经不是这回事了… 而且不能否认, 除了なのは系列, 奈々的动画歌知名度是较低的。
至于平野绫, 无以为继是事实! 听过她的新single, 再相比近期歌手再出发的茅原实里, 更会有如此感觉。
的确是假东西
> 下?!你认真的还是开玩笑的？
DFX Audio Enhancer bought the patent of 3D depth function which can be found in old sound cards so that NEW sound cards such as Creative no longer support this functions. So using DFX is my last choice in PC rendering and playing.
Also, I know the principle: it simply add the amplitude of left and right sound track up such that some lame musical instruments like 响板 clearly. If you don't believe, try playing the song "Aerial" in Tsubasa (movie edition) in PC or C using various method, and find out which is the best.
Of course I know digital sound output manipulation techniques such as THX, DTS ,DOLBY PRO LOGIC. What I am focusing on is analog approach which is more compatible.
For more information, please see doraemonserv.mysinablog.com/index.php?op=ViewArticle&articleId=821623
> 这个排名是来自日本2CH的, 又会关HK MK people的事?
I am studying IVE and currenty learning digital audio production. Sadly I found many IVE students knows only the infotainment from the lyrics, failing to analyse the instrumental programming of each song. Compared with Japan, Hong Kong lack anime fans with inspectorship (伯乐)
What's more: do you know the original purpose of making "3D depth" function?
This is the idea of old sound cards in order to make a ordinary PC speaks works like hifi by addding stereo algorithms. But some speaks of some OEM PC manufacturers like Acer already have hifi functions without any soundcard. That means, you can play a stereo sound by inserting the plug of an Acer speaker (usually Left Hand Side) into a mp3 player. If 3D Depth function is also aded, all songs will lose vocal contents so that many users will complain! That's why after DFX has bought this patent in early 2003, sound card factories did not want to argue with DFX.
The most useful feature of 3D Depth comes if one of the speakers (including PC and hifi) is out of order. By 3D Depth, you can play left-and-right soundtracks using a single speaker. Doubted? Try listening to Aerial, Baragoku Otome (by ALI PROJECT, rozen maiden) and Rewrite (Fullmetal Alchemist) and you will find the instrumental configuration of different-side soundtack is not identical. Sadly HK Music composers do not know this knack so that their songs are always FLAT, and rely on vocal solely.
Before 2003, most of the soundcards support 3D Depth so that many Japanese Anime songs can use PC to generate stereo (non-flat) songs. After 2003, only some BIG enterprise can do it if they do not throw old sound card away.
proofread:
play ==> play [b]both[/b]
@doraemonserv2
或者你说的是事实
但像DFX这东西确实是"假东西"
发烧级玩家不使用也是事实
它单纯的模拟环绕声，对音质提升应该没有帮助
而且它是CPU作运算
为甚么要花几千元买独立声卡佢解码？
其中一个原因是CPU有延迟
CPU的频率始终受里面的时钟所限制
比起独立声卡还差一截
对于模拟信号还有干扰的问题
所以使用CPU作增益等功能是"虚假"的
PS.
我并不是hifi发烧友，只是对编程有一点认识
To RAh-XePhON:
If the current soundcards support the authentic 3D Depth effect, I need not use DFX – a hegemonic money-cheating software with only few functions. Actually to achieve the same effect as 3D Depth I can simply render the stereo mp3s by mixing the LHS and RHS tracks together without any additional soundcard features nor DFX – using Audacity 1.2. So in the long run I will use actual hifi, but one of the fxxking facts is that many hifi cannot connect to a PC. Moreover, many 3D players cannot allow users to mix the soundtracks freely.
>又会关HK MK people的事?
Many IVE guys other than me are quite egoistic, eventually they show MK (mainstream selfish) behaviours. In sum, they are 小朋友. (check EVCHK for this technical term!)
The most fxxking facts is that 3D Depth, in the mindset of many soundcard manufactuers such as RealTek and Creative/SoundBlaster, is treated as BUG currently becasue the user do not "buy" the real stereo environments (instead, they "buy" the vocal – as the priniciple of interference in physics states, vocal is in the middle track while background music are at sideways: when 3D Depth algorithm applies, the sideways will be constructivly superimposed while the vocal wavefront is destroyed). But for Japanese, the best method of making an karaoke is to use 3D Depth with amplitude adjustment to make an stereo surrounding music instead of simply inverting one of the soundtrack wavefront as dbPowerAMP DSP does. So to enjoy pure music, you can only resort to Japan as they collect many good old soundcards.
有趣的排行榜[emot]smile[/emot]
那些狂跳几十位的歌曲背后的动力太明显了吧？ [笑]
这三段片我在工作时当bgm听，感觉突然年纪大了…[吓]
虽然工作动力也陪增…
感谢分享！
>即是对方MK PEOPLE又如何？别人差又可以反証明你自己劲的？这是甚么样的逻辑？还是你想亲身示范港女式的「关联感应式思考」吗?
OTL
We have digressed a little bid. Note that I am just poiting out what MK is, not direcly commenting on something must be good or bad. Remember fuzzy logic always exist in reality. The common-sense – one-dimensional dichotomy of comments are not adpoted by otakus. For an otkau, they just provide supplementary information with use of technical terms, and avoid as many value judgment as possible.
> 听歌是个人的事，人家意见，合意见便认同，不合听你便不要理
Actually listening itself is not just preference alone – it is a concept of perception. Of course we never identify with others ALL or rebute/ignore ALL – what we could do is try our best to develop more discourses regarding "听歌" with different perspectives. I have never declared that 自己正确 because no one is completely perfect. I am just striving for improvement.
> 又或者你又何如知道别人，或者至少榜上的日本人用什么器材来听？你入过对方屋看过吗？为什么你就这样肯定？我很好奇想知。
Read (by subscription) the 4 series of The Economist of 2007/09, and you will know I am simply citing the statistical result from the study of Japanese Enterprise (Technology Quarterary)
> 我一早讲明只要当参考便可以了,不用认真的。
At least one should know what standard of refernce you have declared crystalc-clear. If others refuse to declare, I simply providing mine to provoke more room for discussion.
> 这是基本「逻辑」
If you have studies Pure Math (HKAL), you can explain how it is: It is refered as "neccessary and sufficient conditions".
> 还是你其实是想亲身说明何谓「关联感应式思考」吗?
I anticipate for you proof about this if it really exists as a fact (or is it just your feeling – using feeling is absolutely Okey, but without other methodology partiality will develop and kongGirls will probably use this chance to install some prejudge angles to you! Be Aware! If you do not sure how to comment on others more comprehensively, try searching for "six thinking hats" – it is especially useful for work and study.
> 你其实是否把MASTERING和ENCODING两者搞混了？
No. The displacement (vector of distance) of the musical instrument emitting sound determines the expected sound effect. Of couse NOT all songs use 3D-Depth (for example, LMF need vocals to convey messages so musical instrument is subsidary)
> 咁又关MK people什么的事?
Let me declare what MK current is clearlt:
MK = too conformist to mainstream egocentrically while lacking originality.
MK itself is a flow concept, NOT stock concept. So postmodernists like otakus always amend the primitive definitiions of MK. By the virtue of this MK is no longer a HK slang alone.
You know, this harms ACG systems as they probably privatize resources from public sphere to their own unmobilizable assets such as copyright constraints. As a corollary, we can say that CASH, IFPI and JASRAC are MK.
You many observe how useful sociology is after seeing the aforementioned discourse.
typo:
clearlt==> clearly
debut:
bid==> bit
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> 我完全不明白你在说什么
OMG. Maybe we will just talk about common sense only in future.
those are all classics XD ~~~~ love them all… interesting to see that more then half of the songs are over 10 yrs old ^^;;; incredible… and they're still standing strong!! recently i think the anime music are evolving into commercial purposes but seems lacking the eletrified chemistry as used to be brought up by the older theme songs … however, i strongly agree that this is just an intolerant result finalized by a group of japanese voters… for sure we can't base on this list to judge…